Forms and Applications

[mark]

Hi Steeve,
No, the George from the old Southen Fist forum. I think his last name is Castro but I could be wrong. He is Sifu Seming's student. If I remember correctly, he moved to Texas.

Mark

[nggakuen]

mark said:

Hi Steeve,
No, the George from the old Southen Fist forum. I think his last name is Castro but I could be wrong. He is Sifu Seming's student. If I remember correctly, he moved to Texas.

Mark

Mark,
George Castro (Narrowpath) is not my student, he's my grandfather's student. But he did trained and help to run the school with me after my grandfather passed away.

BTW, you asked about Alex H. earlier; I don't think he participate in forum any more, probably reads on and off. He is a professor in 2 Jr. Colleges; I spoke with him couple weeks ago; he's planning to have a kung fu training club in the college where he teahces.

Seming

[mark]

Hi Sifu Seming,

Your right, Narrow Path was the name George used. I thought he was still training with you? I always enjoyed Alex H.'s input. Too bad he doesn't participate anymore. Do you know if he is aware of this forum? Did you happen to see the question regarding weight lifting and the speed at which forms should be performed? I'd like to hear your opinion as well.

Thanks,

Mark

[G.S. N.G.K.]

Gary First I want to Thank You for letting me put my '2 cents' in on your forum. anything I say is only my opinion as is not meant to offend anyone!! of course "r_n" sometime the TRUTH hurts. As far as Tattoo's go even before I had them most people though I was a hard person "Biker" because of the look in my eyes "as I was told" till they got to know me. When talking to people I would explain my "3 Rules of Life" Never mess with #1 My Family #2 My Friends or #3 My Bike "The numbers were subject to change depending on the circumstance. And my Laws of Life Never mess with "Women or Children". After I got my Tats I would explain they represented a part of my life, most understood the rest "To Bad" They never affected my teaching as far as I know. George N.G.K.

[G.S. N.G.K.]

Mark, Sifu Wong didn't believe in weight training [GYM TRAINING] He thought big muscles restricted movement but we did use bags and car tires for training Punches and Kicks. We also used sandbags on the ground for leg sweep training,and small bags filled with shot or metal pellets for Hand, Finger and Forearm Power. In the 90's I was a personal trainer at Baily's,World and Gold Gyms. Were I had my own method of training that I called 'Body Mechanic's' were if I was training a specific body part I was still using my entire body as a core. One of my best friends and training partner at the time was a Mr Olympia competitor. He never could figure out how I could lift so much while not using any drugs, and the flexibility I had. Later if Se Ming hasn't answered already I will answer your question about speed while doing Forms Se Ming and I were talking about that the other day, Right now the San Diego game is starting and I need to give my 2 fingers a rest I am not a Typist [this is the most I've typed in years] I am normally not a "forum" person to much TALK! Anyway everyone have a Great Day. Paz {Peace} George N.G.K.

[Gary Steuer]

Hi George. I know all too well the first impression that others get of you , until they get to know you !

[G.S. N.G.K.]

Gary, Great tats is it a full body suit? I can see you would have fit right into the Biker world.. George N.G.K. "Paz"

[mark]

Hi Guys,

I have a question : When you learned a form from GM Wong, did he teach the Combat Applications as you went along or did he wait until one had learned the entire form? When learning a new form, I always liked it best when I was shown the applications as we went along. Just curious.

Mark

[mark]

I've seen a few variations of this 2-MAN drill. Is the 5-Family version the same as in Choy Lee Fut? I've always loved 3-Star.

Mark

[Gary Steuer]

Hi Mark
Three star hitting is pretty much the same in most all kung fu styles. I've traveled quite a bit and I see that almost all the basics of kung fu , even in different styles use the same basics. If you were to study a different kung fu style chances are you wouldn't have trouble learning it if your basics were good.
As far as learning the defense for forms. GM Wong would teach about 3 moves at a time and then give you the basic defense or offense for those moves. When you break down a form there are always a multitude of applications for each movement, but there are basics that have to be learned and followed. After a form is learned 2 or more persons will work on it together and learn what each side is doing and then you break it down further and learn all application.. further still you should practice your basic forms doing the mirror image.

[Gary Steuer]

Hi Mark
Three star hitting is pretty much the same in most all kung fu styles. I've traveled quite a bit and I see that almost all the basics of kung fu , even in different styles use the same basics. If you were to study a different kung fu style chances are you wouldn't have trouble learning it if your basics were good.
As far as learning the defense for forms. GM Wong would teach about 3 moves at a time and then give you the basic defense or offense for those moves. When you break down a form there are always a multitude of applications for each movement, but there are basics that have to be learned and followed. After a form is learned 2 or more persons will work on it together and learn what each side is doing and then you break it down further and learn all application.. further still you should practice your basic forms doing the mirror image.

[Gary Steuer]

I was asked a question yesterday about iron palm training. Some people believe it is harmful to your body to train the iron palm. Can be. If done wrong ! Most people don't have the time or are in the right place at the right time to receive proper instruction ... Its like anything else, do it wrong and you'll get hurt. The training has to start gradually, under a watchful eye and the tolerances are built up as you progress. You'll also need good Dit Da Jow. I had 2 different recipes . One from Hong Kong, one from GM Wong. They were identical ! The formulas are mixed with alcohol. Contrary to popular belief, the more expensive the alcohol doesn't make the potion stronger. Here in Thailand I use a whisky called Lao Khao. It'll take paint off a car ! cheap whisky is a little better than cheap vodka, and both seem better than rice wine... The alcohol has a main purpose and that is to open the pores of the skin so the medication will enter and work. I don't recommend drinking it but if you do than I guess get an expensive alcohol to make it smooth.... Just kidding, don't drink it ! We also have a recipe for a hot formula. Nearly the same but different. It's kept on a slow cooker all day and the hand is shot into it and then pulled out quickly and massaged.
One thing you have to remember when hitting is to breathe.. Sounds funny, but just like in weight lifting people hold their breath and there in lies the problem.. Holding your breath while striking will put a strain on your heart. Continually doing this will weaken you and then you'll start to breakdown rather than develop. This is where you need a trained person to watch over you and to correct any problems you might be having..... Training done correctly can only help you ! I'm going to post a photo of Master Ku who was very famous for his palm...

[Gary Steuer]

This is Master Ku , who could selectively break a break anywhere in the column..

[redmantis3]

mark said:

Hi Sifu Seming,

Your right, Narrow Path was the name George used. I thought he was still training with you? I always enjoyed Alex H.'s input. Too bad he doesn't participate anymore. Do you know if he is aware of this forum? Did you happen to see the question regarding weight lifting and the speed at which forms should be performed? I'd like to hear your opinion as well.

Thanks,

Mark

Mark,

Great to have you here. Maybe I missed it somewhere on the forum but if not, may I ask what is your MA background and how you got interested in our system?

As for Alex Holub, I do keep in touch with him on a fairly regular basis and he is aware of the forums that exist regarding our system. I don't want to speak for him but, I do know he's been really busy, he teaches Psychology courses at three community colleges and just finished publishing his most recent book. So, he hasn't had much time to get involved in too much else. If you have any specific questions for him, I'd be happy to pass them on for you.

Steve Perez
S5CBA

[redmantis3]

admin said:

Its like anything else, do it wrong and you'll get hurt. The training has to start gradually, under a watchful eye and the tolerances are built up as you progress. You'll also need good Dit Da Jow. I had 2 different recipes . One from Hong Kong, one from GM Wong.

Holding your breath while striking will put a strain on your heart. Continually doing this will weaken you and then you'll start to breakdown rather than develop. This is where you need a trained person to watch over you and to correct any problems you might be having..... Training done correctly can only help you ! ...

Our primary jow is identical to Ku Yu Cheung's except in a few measurements.

As for supervised training of Iron Palm, I feel that in addition to correct breathing, supervision is also required to insure proper striking procedure (mechanics of the strike). Otherwise much irreversible damage can be done.

What are everyones thoughts on the proper time to teach someone Iron Skills?

I personally require that a student have at least three animals completed before they are even introduced to Iron Skills and all five animals must be completed before any significant Iron Skills training is given.

I've heard those who say why not just let out the :-Xsecret since those without the discipline to practice properly will get no results anyway. The problem is many of those individuals are only out to make a buck and will pass on their improper training to others.

Steve Perez
S5CBA