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Post by mark on Jan 19, 2008 17:51:42 GMT -5
. About Iron palm ....I dont believe on that  ....a boxer strike his heavy bag more of a Martial artist do ....in his training ....Dit da jow and bag training is just conditionning..... Iron palm is just conditionning of the hands ....No secret here ....just conditionning Steeve Well, I guess if Steeve doesn't believe in iron palm it must be B.S.  . There is no doubt someone with conditioned hands could do some serious damage. However, it's totally different than iron palm. Steeve, how can you explain how a man weighing 150 pounds can slap through 5 concrete blocks without seperators? How can a man with just conditioned hands break the block of choice in a stack of say five blocks? Mark |
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Post by steeve on Jan 20, 2008 12:26:39 GMT -5
Mark the kyokushin guys one of my friend is a good breaker About the Brick .....a good trick is to heat the brick at hight temperature for fragilizing it .......taking off all water and humidity .....a brick is compose of rock and clay and water are the clue.... about the break of the third brick ......same thing heat the third one and put the others in water to have a hight Humidity ..... You could do it 12 hours or less before the breaking demo But even with this trick thats take good hands conditionning and power to break Steeve |
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Post by mic on Jan 20, 2008 12:32:33 GMT -5
Well... I am glad I didn't get into doing KF for the purpose of breaking bricks or boards. Hoping we elevate the dialog a notch...
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Post by jay on Jan 20, 2008 12:34:26 GMT -5
Steeve
Are you stating that all iron palm practicioners are fake? Are you discrediting the famous iron palm master Ku Yu Cheung ... please excuse spelling...? So I guess your friend is a fake as well. Probably uses spacers and no dit da jow.
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Post by mark on Jan 20, 2008 15:00:07 GMT -5
Mark the kyokushin guys one of my friend is a good breaker About the Brick .....a good trick is to heat the brick at hight temperature for fragilizing it .......taking off all water and humidity .....a brick is compose of rock and clay and water are the clue.... about the break of the third brick ......same thing heat the third one and put the others in water to have a hight Humidity ..... You could do it 12 hours or less before the breaking demo But even with this trick thats take good hands conditionning and power to break Steeve Hi Steeve, I'd agree that there are many self proclaimed iron palm masters who are nothing more than charlatans. And yes, I'm aware of all the tricks. I bet if you had ever been around someone with legitimate iron palm skills you would have a totally different opinion. Have you talked to Sifu Seming regarding this? I know Boston is a lot closer to Ottawa than L.A; perhaps you could attend one of Dale Dugas' iron palm seminars. I would guess he'd have no problem breaking your bricks as opposed to any " doctored" or heated bricks. He's a no nonsense guy and easy to talk to. So until you see an authentic iron palm practitioner, don't be so opinionated. Mark |
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Post by steeve on Jan 20, 2008 15:32:18 GMT -5
To be clear.... with us guys
I believe in the Iron palms training .....like we sharp a knife to have a effective weapon....our Human weapons are to be sharp also ...
Like you all said ....Iron palm and Iron vest training is for real...
thats a method of training used in almost every CMA for conditionning the body ....for used some techniques for hiting,blocking and take punishment
A lot of peoples talk of iron palm like a style ....and try to exxagerate all thats stuff....
dim mak strike with a iron palm ....and ur death in 2 days...transfert of chi inside the body opponent to explode his liver and so on.... all that could be explain by scientific law...if its real
Yes Ku yu Chang the northern sil lum GM was recognize for his iron palm prowess .....We heard so much story about great grand master doing superman stuff....
Steeve
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Post by steeve on Jan 20, 2008 16:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by Seming on Jan 20, 2008 16:15:23 GMT -5
This is only my opinion about iron palm, iron finger, iron fist, iron arm, iron keg, iron head, iron throat, iron armor, testicle retraction is that they’re specialty trainings for superiority in kung fu. It was necessary to accomplish one or more in the old time regardless what price (I don’t mean just money) you have to pay. Because of modern technology, inventions, medical discovery we have now, it’s not necessary to train any of them to its extreme, but certain degree of such trainings definitely enhance our kung fu ability. And it is really not what you have; it is about how you use it. Being able to break boards, bricks and tree trunk is great, but breaking moving objects is a whole different story. We heard and saw about this and that, but don’t know the story / truth behind it. All we are saying is our opinions. Unless we could do it ourselves, otherwise we just talks. Of course, great performance / accomplishment should be respected and appreciated, in the same token, each one of our view points should be respected too.
Do I believe in all these; my answer is yes and no.
Peace!
Seming
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Post by Seming on Jan 20, 2008 16:32:49 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll translate some of what he is saying. He does his iron palm training about 1 hour each day, hitting with the palm (palm heel), palm edge, back hand; about 1000 on each, using a bag weight around 18 lbs. filled with small metal round bearings, use his system’s secret dit da jow to preserve his nerve, artery, and bones. His calluses is 2 mm thick, did not say about the condition of that hand’s sensitivity. Did not disclose the method of hitting, and how long he had been doing it. Seming |
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Post by braz24 on Jan 22, 2008 16:42:31 GMT -5
Hey Guys, I've got a question about how 5a5f looks at the tiger and the dragon claw. Does 5F distinguish between the two? If so, in the basic, first six forms, where is there a difference in the two claws used? I know for instance that in Hung gar, there are few different tiger claws used but the one I'll focus on is the one where all the fingers and thumb are curled as if to "push" the palm out for both strikes, grabs, rakes, and the like. The dragon claw, on the other hand, is similar except the fingers are not curls as much as the tiger claw. The dragon claw resembles "palming" a basketball of large grapefruit. Is the last paragraph the same for 5F? Inquiring minds want to know! Jeff |
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Post by Gary Steuer on Jan 22, 2008 19:08:14 GMT -5
In the tiger hand the heel of the hand is used for striking and the fingers are ready to grab onto something, an arm, a leg, a face, etc, after the initial strike. The dragon is a flatter hand and is mostly for striking. The tiger hand is held as if you are holding a softball sized object and gripping it tightly. The dragon hand is more as if you were pushing against a wall or such with the heel of your palm and your fingertips.
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Post by braz24 on Jan 22, 2008 20:34:08 GMT -5
I had heard that part of the combination form uses a few dragon claws. Is that correct or are all the claws the tiger claw?
Thanks for the earlier info!
Jeff
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Post by G.S. N.G.K. on Jan 22, 2008 21:17:24 GMT -5
Jeff In the combination form there are Dragon blocks and strikes toward the end of the form.There is Tiger hit and grab and pulls in the middle of the form. G.S. "Paz" I had heard that part of the combination form uses a few dragon claws. Is that correct or are all the claws the tiger claw? Thanks for the earlier info! Jeff |
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Post by braz24 on Feb 25, 2008 10:48:25 GMT -5
Hi Gary,
I had heard that you can connect all of the 5f basic forms (salute, small cross, butterfly, combination, blackbird, and palms) into one long form. Any chance that you could type up the steps required to make those forms "seemless"...Just the steps required between the forms, that lead from the end of one to the beginning of the other.
Some of those steps seem obvious and others don't and I would rather know the traditional way rather than the way I "fumble" through things.
Thanks in advance!
Jeff
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Post by braz24 on Feb 25, 2008 11:00:50 GMT -5
One more thing... If you did all the basic forms as one long form (and of course, also performed the "connecting steps") all at once....Assuming you had all the room you needed, where in the room would you begin and where would you end up when you bow out? Lets just assume you had a 20' x 20' space. I know in many styles, you should end the form where you began. In some of the early 5F forms, I don't think that is the case. The small cross and butterfly come to mind although, when I do the small cross, if I take a large "adjustment step" when I step back to "bow out", then I end up very close to where I began. I've tried to adjust my stances to avoid that adjustment step but that hasn't worked. If I don't adjust at the very end of the small cross, I bow out just a foot and half or two forward of where I started. I checked myself on 1'X1' tiled floors. Then again, maybe that's the right spot and I don't need the adjustment step either. Sorry, I went off on a tangent. Thanks again! Jeff |
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....a boxer strike his heavy bag more of a Martial artist do ....in his training ....Dit da jow and bag training is just conditionning..... Iron palm is just conditionning of the hands ....No secret here ....just conditionning
